DDD Ep 51: For the King of Iron fist, it was a Shark.
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Recorded on 1-28-2012
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DDD Podcast is back with tangents tangents and more tangents! Well of course Piracy and the uuush.
SEGMENT BREAKDOWN
1) Improv!!.. before the show
0:00:00- 0:00:30
2) What have you been doing?
0:00:38- 0:38:11
3) Kojima may Cry
0:38:12- 0:58:10
4) Jeff’s Nisemono Woes/ Animu talk./you still owe me Tofu
0:58:11- 2:05:47
5) NEWS!
- Boku ha Tomodachi ga Sukunai Anime gets licensed!
- Funimation licensed High School Dungeons and Dragons
- Resident Evil 6
- Street FighterXTekkenXInuXBoku adds fat Megaman and Mecha Pacman
2:05:51-2:19:00
6) PIRACY!!!!!
2:20:00- 2:49:00
7) Outro’s!
2:50:00- 2:52:56
*Baku’s Note: My apologies to the users that want the episodes to be uploaded on Itunes. At the moment we can’t due to our technician expert and webmaster Will, not being able to manage our site because he’s busy with his own life. That being said Episodes will always be up here, now Commercial free, Tunes Free, and yeah…
I will definitely get back to you guys once we get our episodes up on Itunes again.
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>Crash Team Racing is still to this day, the best racing game
holy shit, are you me?
Damn, I just listened to the last one yesterday. Procrastination here I come!
I want to give credit to TSRL for that Clerks reference amid DMC talk. You guys seem to have missed it.
I feel accomplished. Someone saw what I did back there…
Havent’ gotten around listening yet due to school but just finished watching that Tekken X Street Fighter video and my childhood memories of Megaman is ruined… OTL That ain’t Megaman~! D: That’s just a fat pedo who decided to buy a XXXL Megaman costume and instead of going to a Halloween party, miraculously ended up in some battle tournament! I cannot accept the fact that it was the original box art
No Baku I don’t owe you anymore
Anyways, I won’t be able to get the whole collection of the K-On Blu Ray at my gaming shop (which is awesome because they sell genuine anime stuff and actually dedicate a corner to anime dvd’s blu rays, manga’s, figures and etc) because vol 2 is constantly sold out D:
SOPA/PIPA was put down but there’s a new one called ACTA which is like SOPA but worst OTL They must have thought we protested against SOPA so we could get something ‘better’ in their eyes… :
Again it’s currently in the mystery what ACTA would do. Nothing good will come out of it but even we’re not sure in how big of an impact it will have for us. I am aware just be sure of the specifics.
you always owe me. Always.
To Flags,
DMC was great for it’s time but DMC3 (especially SE edition) was the perfect pinnacle of that franchise with amazing gameplay, perfect weapon selection, and above all an engaging story and cut-scenes so epic on a PS2 that they piss on 90% of all action anime in the last 10 years.
I am currently half-way through Dante route in DMC 4 and I cannot bring myself to keep playing that game. The most cumbersome and broken gameplay in the franchise coupled with garbage characters and an even more garbage storyline add up one of the worst follow-ups i’ve had the misfortune of playing.
I think you’re slightly off about why fanboys were up in arms about DMC anime. It’s not so much that they ruined Dante’s character, it’s that they completely failed in capitalizing on what made DMC 1 and especially 3 great. Those stories were full of fuck-yeah moments while the anime is full of coma-inducing snore-fests. The only episode worth a shit is when they actually tried to somewhat overlap with one of the games and actually bring in some DMC spirit.
Nisemonogatari feels like having a creator and staff catering to my every whim at the drop of a hat for 22 minutes every week. Baku, your reasoning for not sucking off Nisemono is bullshit. It makes you sad when it ends? Boohoo. That’s what good entertainment is supposed to do, leave you satisfied but wanting/needing more. Pick a better reason.
I’m about half-way through this mammoth 3 hour podcast so far, but couldn’t wait to pitch in I guess. Last thing for now? Maybe you guys were a little too quick to shit on Another. I’m willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for at least another handful of episodes, this type of anime is so rare to find that I’m reticent to burn it just yet. I have possibly misguided faith that it will turn around and pay off by the end.
I do not know what it sounds like but my memory of that conversation was that we were talking about the new Devil May Cry game, DMC, and not the anime in the context of fanboy upheaval. Sorry for any confusion on that, or if I’m the one confused that’s fine too.
I can only shit on Another because I’m still watching it. Which in its own way says a lot about my feelings on that show. If it was utter shit I would not still be watching it. Then again, I’ve seen all of Dragonaut: The Resonance….
Plus shitting on things is fun.
Nisemonogatari is the best anime of 2011. If it had aired in 2011….
Thankfully there’s still much more to this year.
Also, in a vote I saw on Sankaku, Nisemonogatari was rated the 5th “Most Boring” show of the season. It’s not everyones cup of tea. Though take anything you find on Sankaku with a grain of salt, and then consult your physician.
Well Marshal first I would like to say thanks for commenting. Really would like to have comments like this for a change, helps get people in the pool of discussion, and these are basically incentive that we all here strive to get.
As for your woes about my opinion on Nisemonogatari, like in the pod, Good show, in fact great show that pushes boundaries I haven’t seen before. Does it entertain me? Not to an extent. I came into anime trying a variety of genres some amazing some not so much. It’s weird that for something as refreshing as Nisemono I can’t grasp it.
Could be hype. I have a tendency to give hyped animes of the season not too much of attention and focus on hidden gems like the current generation of Age.
And I guess for my third point, is just it’s my own opinion on the show, I voice it with 3 (now 2) other guys and the others like it a lot better than me.
As I have said constantly to Adrian (flags) that I always think Bakemonogatari was a good show. Nothing more to that. It may better serve as a better rewatch but I haven’t had time to do that yet.
if i had a cookie for every time i heard ‘give us unique characters and smart dialogue over boring convoluted plot’ i’d be munching on a lot of cookies. It seems like even when we’re given exactly that, people still aren’t happy. I gave some thought as to why you might still be unsatisfied Baku, and I think it might have something to do with you wanting the show to be more episodic. Most episodes consist of 2 (3 at most) conversations that take about 10 minutes, and by the end of each episode the plot has only inched and not much is resolved. I feel like this probably has something to do with your somewhat lukewarm reaction to the show. It’s one of those shows that starts at the beginning and ends at the end, and breaking it up into 11 doesn’t give you a complete narrative each time, just a small slice of a whole.
I know you guys talked a bit DMC5 but i could have sworn you brought up negative reactions to the anime at one point. If I happen to be wrong I’m deeply sorry for bringing that turd up. I’ll have to rinse my brain by plowing through some Kara no Kyoukai and basking in the godliness.
Marshal, you are bringing some of the most interesting points to a discussion that has ever been made on a episode thread on our website. I’m gonna try to break down to you in some details why Baku has an hard-time enjoying the show because we both had a discussion off-air about it. Both of us think it’s a great show. We found the dialogues to be incredibly well thought and well written. To defend myself also, I enjoy Nisemonogatari more than Jeff does probably. But right now, the issue is, both him and I have found a show that is rocking our fucking socks: Gundam AGE. Baku and I have always been big fan of mecha (and we can’t help it, but a lot of Gundam shows do appeal to us). You know how Flags says he’s always fearing an episode of Nisemono to end, this case applies to Baku and I when we’re watching AGE. Since the beginning of 2012, all my Sunday nights have been filled with joy because of that show and I simply can’t wait for the next episode. We do agree both that Nisemono is the best show of the season, but AGE is simply our favorite.
Now for my part, I must be crazy to say that, but I have this unpleasant feeling with Nisemono right now: I feel it’s being too full of itself in some ways. It’s really hitting hard on some symbolisms and I do think that some bits were just made to make audience go: “ZOMG! SYMBOLISM!! IT’S SO VISUALLY CRAZY!! IT’S ZO GOOD!! And I will be fair on this: I do love it when it’s done and handled properly and both Nisemono and Bakemono have done an excellent job. The symbolism in it is way better than other shows like, to name a few, Evangelion, Mawaru Penguindrum, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, etc. Jeff likes Bakemono, but I fucking love that show. So right now, my fear is that those elements are now tiring to me (God, I hope it’s not that).
If you went TL;DR on this paragraph, I’ll make it short:
-Nisemono: The best of this season, but not our favorite and we can’t attach ourself as much as Flags to this show
-Gundam AGE: Not the best show, but Baku and I are enjoying the fuck out of it and we can claim it as our personnal favorite of this season so far.
I’ll garantee you something though: unless Nisemono does an 180 and goes downhill hardcore, it’s going to be nominated at the end of the year for the grand prize. For AGE, it really depends on how it’s gonna handle its second and third generation (and if it does what Baku and I are expecting, we’re gonna try to push it for the ultimate award).
Again, thanks for posting. Comments like this are truly the best to debate on.
@Marshal Yes and no on the point of it being episodic. No in my perception of the term episodic in that it’s a standalone episode that don’t matter to progress the plot (which I still think Bakemono has no plot) but characters. I don’t mind it being episodic since Bakemono is really an arc based show based on all the girls besides the sisters.
But definitely yes in actually pinpointing my concerns that it didn’t move so much in terms of a story or an actual plot. It focused on conversations and character interactions w/ Araragi and co.
Which I pondered and thought of the only reason why I couldn’t like Nisemonogatari to an extent is the fact that it lacked character development. So far from episodes 1-4 (I think 5 is getting it’s claws on me and haven’t seen 6), it’s merely been interactions between characters and extending them. And it’s not character development or progression.
Say what you will about Araragi but that guy has come so far of a character after the events from Bakemono, and (I would say it) Kizumono. It’s kinda like “I know him, but not that I need to know more of”, and/or “I know him, give me a reason to know him more”.
Like Xavier commented, I am head over heels for Gen 2 of Gundam Age. It’s a flawed show, but in comparison to Nisemono, AGE had more character progression. So much so that the second generation protagonist feels like an extension from the first. But he goes into his own route of progression. Which I find it to be ingenious.
I think I’ve said my bit on Nisemonogatari. I need to rewatch Bakemono, but don’t have the time to atm. But I can tell you this my favorite character of the show yet, is Karen. Simply because she gets development.
Again to reiterate, not saying this show is bad, just I demand alot more out of it, rather than celebrating it’s characters with Araragi.
Here’s the thing with Nisemono and why I may be a bit biased. When this show was announced and I read that it was about the Fire Sisters, I assumed this was a spinoff, and that my favourite characters would be cameos at best. So my expectations dropped significantly. So when I watched episode 1 and realized that assumption was wrong, it was like Christmas all over again, and I was content to spend 4 or so episodes without much progression, just checking in with my favourite characters which I hand’t seen in about a year.
But I have to agree with you; if it’s lack of character development that’s hindering the show for you, then I can’t argue, though I still maintain that these characters are so quirky and charismatic that they don’t require development to make them interesting like with most other characters.
Gundam AGE…. Okay. I have no inherent interest in Gundam, and I have very specific tastes when it comes to old looking anime, so from the bits I’ve seen from different Gundams, none of them interested me. The only Gundam that I gave my attention to was Gundam 00 which I enjoyed the FUCK out of. I really liked the revised approach taken, and it helped that some serious yen was funnelled into that bro-show.
I’m not going to debate your opinions on Trailblazer, but I will say that I think it put the series into perspective for me. I believe Flags said the movie is inconsequential to the characters. I have to disagree when it comes to one person; I believe that movie completed Setsuna’s character arc very nicely, really gave him the purpose he had searched for all his life. I felt satisfied with how they resolved that character, but I will leave it at that.
So what would it take for me to watch Gundam Age? Well, it would preferably have to be finished airing, or at least 26 episodes. (I’m still at a point in my fandom where I refuse to watch shows over 52 episodes) I am however interested in any non-spoilery ways you can tell me how it stacks up against 00.
I think that imposed rule is making you miss out FMA:Brotherhood. Review coming soon.
On the point of AGE, I think the notion of telling a story that spans a hundred years and following the Asuno family is an intriguing outline and very different from a Gundam Experience. I don’t know if you know this but since this is based on this 100 year struggle, you get 3 different protagonists. The show is currently in generation 2, and the main character now is the son of the previous main character.
Alot of words has said about Age before it came out, and I came in this show thinking that it will hopefully entertain me in the lightest Gundamly manner. C’mon this show was announced on Dorocoro so it must be for kids right? Well yes and no. Yes in the fact that it’s made for kids, but transitions into more mature settings and themes. And definitely a no because it can get surprisingly dark at times.
If you want to compare 00, 00 isn’t consistent when it comes to focusing on it’s characters. They’re great, but I think AGE handles character, or Main character progression better than 00. It isn’t a political heavy show like 00, and the commentary on society isn’t present in this Gundam and I think you shouldn’t expect anything amazing from this show. I urge you not to.
But it doesn’t hurt to go through the first 15 episodes just to see where your feelings lie. If you like the show based on what you’ve seen so far, Generation 2 will not disappoint. Other than that you’re free to go.
Like you and Nisemono I think if you’re able to make surprises, you’re able to latch onto a show much quicker than everyone else.
By the way, hi Marshal, it’s great to see other commenters here and especially with your comments being a very interesting read (take a look at how long this dicussion is!) XD
I don’t think I have any say in the Nisemono and AGE talk because there’s not much I can say besides what’s already said though I must agree with Baku that you’re seriously MISSING OUT on FMA: Brotherhood mate ;D
I don’t know if it’s time management or any other reason for not watching shows over 52 episodes but I definitely know how you feel. I’m a lazy highschooler who has to balance out homework and anime (since I”m in my last year, it’s HECTIC D:) anyways I’ve always been a big procrastinator like the most of us and that also includes anime series or manga series. Take for example GTO or ES21, they are MASSIVE and something I wouldn’t pick up considering they’re both 200+ chapters each. even many people say it’s great it’s great and I didn’t pick it up, until I had nothing to do that is.So I picked up GTO and mate, I regretted not taking up my chance to read this MAMMOTH 200+ chapter manga when I had the chance because it was fricken AWESOME! Same goes for all the other great shows like FMA: Brotherhood. I watched FMA and decided in the past that I didn’t need to watch Brotherhood, after a whole year (I kid you not, it was actually a year or more roughly) of people saying DUDE IT’S GOOD PICK IT UP and me going DUDE I’VE SEEN THE FIRST ONE, I DON’T NEED TO…. well… I was wrong. Like GTO, and every other 52+ series that I kept putting down, I regret not watching ALL OF THEM SOONER ;D
Long story short…. FMA: Brotherhood is unmissable and do watch it whenever you have the chance ;D
>200 chapters
>massive
oh Tofu
it’s massive for me~ D:
Yes that rule is keeping me from a few greats like Brotherhood, LotGH, and Gintama off the top of my head. I’m going to cave eventually and watch those shows but I’m still relatively new to this and haven’t watched all I need at this point. I’m very interested but these are big commitments.
I’ll say this about AGE, it sounds like the most interesting Gundam other than 00. The young characters are kind of a turn off to me at first glance, plus the embarrassing fact that I’m more of a Gundam watcher in dub, these things make me hesitate. Also you guys mentioned a fair amount of romance, and romance in a Gundam show is not appealing to me. The generation idea is intriguing I will say. For now I think I’ll wait until your reactions to the end of the first season.